Comments on: Safe to Say… http://www.urbanphoto.net/blog/2007/12/20/safe-to-say/ Exploring urban life through word and photography Tue, 16 Mar 2010 01:17:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: The Rebbe Sues: http://www.urbanphoto.net/blog/2007/12/20/safe-to-say/comment-page-1/#comment-150466 The Rebbe Sues: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:58:58 +0000 http://www.urbanphoto.net/blog/2007/12/21/meet/#comment-150466 [...] Canadian site, Urbanphoto, has an outsider’s cooler view, analysing the ad accurately as kitsch, in effect transcending the adversarial/collaborative dichotomy: On American Apparel’s website, [...] [...] Canadian site, Urbanphoto, has an outsider’s cooler view, analysing the ad accurately as kitsch, in effect transcending the adversarial/collaborative dichotomy: On American Apparel’s website, [...]

]]> By: charlotte http://www.urbanphoto.net/blog/2007/12/20/safe-to-say/comment-page-1/#comment-148788 charlotte Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:44:26 +0000 http://www.urbanphoto.net/blog/2007/12/21/meet/#comment-148788 Woody Allen is suing for $10 mil for being used as an American Apparel model w/out his permission. http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/107833.html Woody Allen is suing for $10 mil for being used as an American Apparel model w/out his permission.

http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/107833.html

]]> By: American Apparel Sexism Debate http://www.urbanphoto.net/blog/2007/12/20/safe-to-say/comment-page-1/#comment-134769 American Apparel Sexism Debate Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:53:45 +0000 http://www.urbanphoto.net/blog/2007/12/21/meet/#comment-134769 A further debate on American Apparel ads is needed. We recorded a podcast about the supposed sexist nature of the ads. Tune in. http://scribblesheet.co.uk/debates/?p=7 A further debate on American Apparel ads is needed. We recorded a podcast about the supposed sexist nature of the ads. Tune in.

http://scribblesheet.co.uk/debates/?p=7

]]> By: Christopher DeWolf http://www.urbanphoto.net/blog/2007/12/20/safe-to-say/comment-page-1/#comment-124631 Christopher DeWolf Wed, 26 Dec 2007 06:48:36 +0000 http://www.urbanphoto.net/blog/2007/12/21/meet/#comment-124631 I guess you can say that I'm making excuses for American Apparel's advertising, but don't think that what I said has anything to do with Dov Charney himself. The way he treats women in his company is another issue entirely. American Apparel's advertising is certainly sexist, but that isn't any different from most fashion advertising --- it's just that its depiction of women is one that reaches people on a more visceral level than the glossier fashion ads that everyone has apparently gotten used to. Maybe I'm just digging myself into an even deeper hole, but let me put it this way: at least American Apparel is aware of its own sexism. It's very self-conscious in the way it evokes cheap porn, 1970s pop culture and everything else like that. Companies like Guess, Abercrombie & Fitch and Calvin Klein, all of which have advertising campaigns even more prominent than American Apparel, are far more disturbing to me because they seem completely oblivious to the inherent sexism of their message. Don't get me wrong; I think the whole game is sleazy. I just don't think that American Apparel is worse than most. In terms of its public advertising, and more specifically the billboards in New York, I think that it's less offensive, and sometimes more imaginative, than advertising from other companies. I guess you can say that I’m making excuses for American Apparel’s advertising, but don’t think that what I said has anything to do with Dov Charney himself. The way he treats women in his company is another issue entirely.

American Apparel’s advertising is certainly sexist, but that isn’t any different from most fashion advertising — it’s just that its depiction of women is one that reaches people on a more visceral level than the glossier fashion ads that everyone has apparently gotten used to.

Maybe I’m just digging myself into an even deeper hole, but let me put it this way: at least American Apparel is aware of its own sexism. It’s very self-conscious in the way it evokes cheap porn, 1970s pop culture and everything else like that. Companies like Guess, Abercrombie & Fitch and Calvin Klein, all of which have advertising campaigns even more prominent than American Apparel, are far more disturbing to me because they seem completely oblivious to the inherent sexism of their message.

Don’t get me wrong; I think the whole game is sleazy. I just don’t think that American Apparel is worse than most. In terms of its public advertising, and more specifically the billboards in New York, I think that it’s less offensive, and sometimes more imaginative, than advertising from other companies.

]]> By: Maria Gatti http://www.urbanphoto.net/blog/2007/12/20/safe-to-say/comment-page-1/#comment-124612 Maria Gatti Wed, 26 Dec 2007 03:42:03 +0000 http://www.urbanphoto.net/blog/2007/12/21/meet/#comment-124612 I'm very disappointed that you are practically excusing Dov Cherney's gross sexism, echoed by the disgusting way he treats his own female employees. This from a company that claims to have ethical business practices. It makes me very sad, as in general your comments on urbanism and social issues are very progressive. I really don't want to slag men as defending their own privilege, but here there is a huge disconnect with most of your posts and comments. I’m very disappointed that you are practically excusing Dov Cherney’s gross sexism, echoed by the disgusting way he treats his own female employees. This from a company that claims to have ethical business practices.

It makes me very sad, as in general your comments on urbanism and social issues are very progressive. I really don’t want to slag men as defending their own privilege, but here there is a huge disconnect with most of your posts and comments.

]]> By: Jimmy Zoubris http://www.urbanphoto.net/blog/2007/12/20/safe-to-say/comment-page-1/#comment-123686 Jimmy Zoubris Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:36:21 +0000 http://www.urbanphoto.net/blog/2007/12/21/meet/#comment-123686 Glad to see you mentioned the Montreal Influence. I also think they own the back page of the Mirror magazine. I believe they also advertise that all their clothes are made in North America. Nothing is made overseas or imported. Glad to see you mentioned the Montreal Influence. I also think they own the back page of the Mirror magazine.
I believe they also advertise that all their clothes are made in North America. Nothing is made overseas or imported.

]]> By: Christopher DeWolf http://www.urbanphoto.net/blog/2007/12/20/safe-to-say/comment-page-1/#comment-123521 Christopher DeWolf Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:22:33 +0000 http://www.urbanphoto.net/blog/2007/12/21/meet/#comment-123521 Definitely. I didn't want to mention Dov Charney because any discussion of him would require at least another post unto itself. There a lot of Montreal influence at American Apparel. Not only do they have a lot of stuff on their website, it features in some of their advertisements. One of consisted of several photos taken inside a Hasidic clothing store in Outremont or Mile End. Definitely. I didn’t want to mention Dov Charney because any discussion of him would require at least another post unto itself.

There a lot of Montreal influence at American Apparel. Not only do they have a lot of stuff on their website, it features in some of their advertisements. One of consisted of several photos taken inside a Hasidic clothing store in Outremont or Mile End.

]]> By: Kate McDonnell http://www.urbanphoto.net/blog/2007/12/20/safe-to-say/comment-page-1/#comment-123516 Kate McDonnell Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:51:31 +0000 http://www.urbanphoto.net/blog/2007/12/21/meet/#comment-123516 Semi-relevant background: Dov Charney, CEO of American Apparel, was born in Montreal. His mother, artist Sylvia Safdie, is Moshe Safdie's sister, probably accounting for the interest in Habitat 67. Semi-relevant background: Dov Charney, CEO of American Apparel, was born in Montreal. His mother, artist Sylvia Safdie, is Moshe Safdie’s sister, probably accounting for the interest in Habitat 67.

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